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@evelynefoerster

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(18/n)

...feindlichen Agenten gearbeitet haben. Oder sich mal über die falsche Person (wie z. B. Björn Höcke) öffentlich geäußert haben.

Die Anwendungsfälle für den künftigen "worst case" sind fast grenzenlos, m.W. nicht einmal in einem Science Fiction (Dystopie) abgearbeitet, denn derart unbegrenzte Daten gab es bislang noch nie.//

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@evelynefoerster

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(17/n)

...weltpolitischen Umfeld kann niemand wissen, was morgen verboten sein wird.

Im Gegensatz zu den 1930er Jahren wird jedoch alles über jeden praktisch unbegrenzt gespeichert, auch die Bewegungsprofile.

Nur als so eine weitere Idee: man könnte ja aus purem Zufall monatelang, undifferenzierbar für GPS, im Nachbarbüro eines...

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@evelynefoerster

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(16/n)

Noch ein paar warnende Worte für alle die, die meinen, "ich habe doch nichts zu verbergen":

Eine deutsche Touristin wurde aufgrund ihres Tätowierungs-Besteckes beim Grenzübertritt aus Mexiko wochenlang unter übelsten Bedingungen durch die Einwanderungsbehörde #ICE festgehalten.

Im derzeitigen chaotischen...

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@evelynefoerster

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

👉 #SignalHack👈

(14/n)

ich von meinen bisherigen Recherchen denke ich dass es vom groben Inhalt mindestens stimmt:

aus einer gebridgten Bluesky-Convo:

"The #SignalApp is not secure, as they promise to be!

#Signal collects metadata the same way that #Whatsapp does.

All of Signals traffic runs across the...

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@evelynefoerster

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

👉 #SignalHack👈

(13/n)

#Signal scheint mir aufgrund des #CloudActs und der zunehmend faschistischen US-Regierung (der illegale Datenabfluß durch #DOGE kennt wohl geschichtlich keine annäherende Parallele) als nicht mehr sicher.

Die Quelle konnte ich bislang nicht validieren, aber...

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@thevril @pluralistic @kino

#SurveillanceState

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(9/n)

... pushing #Threema for the general public, as it is the "least of all evil." This, in particular, as #WhatsApp owner #Meta is the worst/most leaky offender of them all. 👈

The danger is not only immemt, but has been very real for many for some years, as the #ProjectAnalyticaSummit showed years after #Meta's #ProjectAnalyticaScandal in the wake...

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@thevril @pluralistic @kino

#SurveillanceState

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(8/n)

... can pick up your meta data directly from there, thanks to the [#US] #CloudACT👈:... "

... my conclusion has been that, 👉despite some concerning political utterings by a #Threema board member and the fact that, for years, it's encryption technology had been outdated...

schnaeppchenfuchs.com/news/thr

... we should *still* rally around...

SchnaeppchenfuchsSchweizer Forscher decken Sicherheitslücken bei Threema auf<p>Eine Forschungsgruppe der ETH Zürich entdeckt Sicherheitslücken der Messenger App Threema. CEO Blatter hält die Kritik für rein theoretisch.</p>
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@thevril @pluralistic @kino

#SurveillanceState

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(5/n)

... I still have one, but 👉federated #XMPP just somehow can't seem to take hold outside of its own niche" 👈.

If you wanted to dig down even further, you'd get to the point where you'd have to deal with #Protocols:

eattherich.club/@jmhorner/1109

A French 🇫🇷 librarian association made an...

ETRJM Horner ™️ (@jmhorner@eattherich.club)@HistoPol@mastodon.social @smallcircles@social.coop Sweet! :-) For those who do not know, XMPP is a protocol (similar to the ActivityPub protocol being used by various fediverse services) that has many client applications. I can't think of any proprietary clients, though one or more may exist somewhere. XMPP actually spawned from Jabber (the protocol Google Talk originally used), and it is generally used for instant messaging style communications. It has the ability to include media, and can be end-to-end encrypted with [most commonly] OTR, OMEMO, or PGP. Jitsy on the other hand is a little more complicated, and in fact includes some XMPP interoperability. It has video conferencing services similar to what you might find in Teams or Zoom. It is open source, and can support end-to-end encryption when using a Chromium based browser. Both XMPP and Jitsy servers may or may not log IP addresses in the same way a web server like Apache or NGINX does. Though I imagine if that were added to the list for them, it would need to be added to the list for all of the others as well. Unique identifiers such as email address and phone number are simply not required for using either, and I am not aware of any XMPP or Jitsy services that have any advertising. Thanks for making the chart and if you have any other questions, do please let me know. :-)
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@thevril @pluralistic @kino

#SurveillanceState

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(4/n)

....value anymore.👈 The future of #Matrix always seems somehow, em.. unconfirmed? An interesting project. I wonder where it will go. There's been a LOT of #VC [#VentureCapital] funding up to now, one might assume some return is expected at some point. Maybe not though. I've run #Jabber servers in the past,...

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@thevril

#SurveillanceState

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(2/n)

... I've pointed out in an older thread 🧵 here and Cory @pluralistic in a now famous speech about #Enshittification, there's the severe lock-in effect, the negative aspects of the #NetworkEffect.

There are #XMPP and #Matrix, the "ancient" and "obvious" #FOSS choices. I've never used them but from what I've read, they were never able to gain much market share and are...

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@thevril

#SurveillanceState #Surveillance #Technology #Meta

👉Which #Messenger To Replace the #DataKraken #WhatsApp with? 👈

#FightTechnofeudalism

(1/n)

True, however the most important criterion is that a replacement messenger app for #WhatsApp must have any chance at replacing #WhatsApp.
As a friend of mine phrased it here on Mastodon: "I have a hard time convincing my friend and family even to switch to [the known services,] #Signal or #Threema.
As...