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Seán Fobbe<p>🔔 New Essay 🔔 </p><p>"The Intelligent AI Coin: A Thought Experiment"</p><p>Open Access here: <a href="https://seanfobbe.com/posts/2025-02-21_intelligent-ai-coin-thought-experiment/" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">seanfobbe.com/posts/2025-02-21</span><span class="invisible">_intelligent-ai-coin-thought-experiment/</span></a></p><p>Recent years have seen a concerning trend towards normalizing decisionmaking by Large Language Models (LLM), including in the adoption of legislation, the writing of judicial opinions and the routine administration of the rule of law. AI agents acting on behalf of human principals are supposed to lead us into a new age of productivity and convenience. The eloquence of AI-generated text and the narrative of super-human intelligence invite us to trust these systems more than we have trusted any human or algorithm ever before.</p><p>It is difficult to know whether a machine is actually intelligent because of problems with construct validity, plagiarism, reproducibility and transferability in AI benchmarks. Most people will either have to personally evaluate the usefulness of AI tools against the benchmark of their own lived experience or be forced to trust an expert.</p><p>To explain this conundrum I propose the Intelligent AI Coin Thought Experiment and discuss four objections: the restriction of agents to low-value decisions, making AI decisionmakers open source, adding a human-in-the-loop and the general limits of trust in human agents.</p><p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/histodons" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>histodons</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/politicalscience" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>politicalscience</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/AI" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AI</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/ArtificialIntelligence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ArtificialIntelligence</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Philosophy</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Benchmarks" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Benchmarks</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Validity" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Validity</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Plagiarism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Plagiarism</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Reproducibility" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Reproducibility</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Transferability" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Transferability</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Decisionmaking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Decisionmaking</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Intelligence" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Intelligence</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/LLM" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LLM</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/LargeLanguageModel" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LargeLanguageModel</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Algorithm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Algorithm</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Justice" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Justice</span></a> <a href="https://fediscience.org/tags/Law" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>Law</span></a></p>
Marcin Cieślak<p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/thoughtexperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thoughtexperiment</span></a><br>Trading places:</p><p>Volodymyr Zelenskyy becomes the president of the United States</p><p>Donald Trump Jr becomes the president of Ukraine</p><p>What happens next?</p>
escapingthetrap<p>Are class traitors equivalent or worse than race traitors? </p><p>Personally I'm a race-abolitionist but I know that some people are really only willing to work with people of their own race or ethnic designation. As for class traitors it's sadly all too common, it makes it difficult to be rightfully maddened, it's all too normalized for working class people to completely alter their personality to fit into bourgeois society. </p><p>(When I do these polls the options below do not reflect my opinions and I don't mean to offend anyone, I respect all living people of good spirit.)</p><p><a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/thoughtexperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thoughtexperiment</span></a> <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/poll" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>poll</span></a> <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/socialism" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>socialism</span></a> <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/blm" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>blm</span></a> <a href="https://ni.hil.ist/tags/controversial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>controversial</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p>My kind of <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a><br><a href="https://beige.party/@laprice/113536776667646800" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">beige.party/@laprice/113536776</span><span class="invisible">667646800</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://masto.ai/@GhostOnTheHalfShell" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>GhostOnTheHalfShell</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://universeodon.com/@TomWellborn" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>TomWellborn</span></a></span> <br><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a>: what if JFK and RFK were <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/AmericanGracchi" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AmericanGracchi</span></a> of the <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/American" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>American</span></a> Republic?</p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.social/@tadbithuman" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>tadbithuman</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://beige.party/@Sir_Osis_of_Liver" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Sir_Osis_of_Liver</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@Remittancegirl" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>Remittancegirl</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a>: What do you imagine is the hypothetical limit, in tons, of what the <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/AmericanNetanyahu" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>AmericanNetanyahu</span></a> would authorize to drop on any American city (defined as more than 50,000 population)?</p>
readbeanicecream<p>Monkeys will never type Shakespeare, study finds</p><p><a href="https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/c748kmvwyv9o" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">bbc.com/news/articles/c748kmvw</span><span class="invisible">yv9o</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/science" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>science</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/math" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>math</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/mathematics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>mathematics</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/time" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>time</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/thoughtexperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thoughtexperiment</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.social/tags/universe" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>universe</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p>Thought experiment on the legal &amp; judicial system as the source code for society, with lawyers as the engineers:</p><p><a href="https://www.superversive.co/blog/legal-system-as-societys-source-code" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">superversive.co/blog/legal-sys</span><span class="invisible">tem-as-societys-source-code</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/LegalTech" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>LegalTech</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/legal" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>legal</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/judicial" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>judicial</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/technology" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>technology</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/SystemsThinking" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>SystemsThinking</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ShowerThought" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ShowerThought</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p><span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mastodon.world/@YakyuNightOwl" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>YakyuNightOwl</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://mstdn.social/@ezeeE" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ezeeE</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@ErictheCerise" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>ErictheCerise</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://supervolcano.angryshark.eu/@grrrr_shark" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>grrrr_shark</span></a></span> <span class="h-card" translate="no"><a href="https://kolektiva.social/@aredridel" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>aredridel</span></a></span> </p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a>: If a red flag is raised and nobody else seems to see or care about it, was the red flag raised? 🤔</p>
Larry Garfield<p>Scenario: There is a village. It's had a famine and food is scarce. There is one farmer on the edge of town with a large, full grainery.</p><p>He owns it outright, and came by it legally and ethically.</p><p>He decides to burn the grainery down to set a record for largest bonfire.</p><p>Remeber, it's fairly and ethically his.</p><p>Is his action moral or immoral? Ethical or not? Right or wrong?</p><p>How you answer this question says a lot about your character and ethics.</p><p><a href="https://phpc.social/tags/ethics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ethics</span></a> <a href="https://phpc.social/tags/thoughtexperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>thoughtexperiment</span></a> <a href="https://phpc.social/tags/philosophy" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>philosophy</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p>Which is worse? <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/USpol" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>USpol</span></a></p>
Coach Pāṇini ®<p>New thought experiment just dropped: the Brandolini Maximizer.</p><p><a href="https://www.vox.com/technology/352849/openai-chatgpt-google-meta-artificial-intelligence-vox-media-chatbots" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://www.</span><span class="ellipsis">vox.com/technology/352849/open</span><span class="invisible">ai-chatgpt-google-meta-artificial-intelligence-vox-media-chatbots</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.world/tags/BrandoliniMaximizer" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BrandoliniMaximizer</span></a></p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> They want a world where women don’t get to talk and die in childbirth like it used to be so they can get the next model. Do you see it? Are you prepared to frame that issue and talk about it? If someone were to ask me how I see the fight ending, I wouldn’t be able to answer. I think there’s a 50-50 chance we go fully and openly to Jim Crow 2.0. And when I look around sometimes I wonder..which side are you all on? 7/7</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> A large swath of white America does not want a new world order. They are desperately fighting for Jim Crow 2.0 where people of color know their place, don't look them in they eye and step off the sidewalk when they walk by. They want a world where they can work black and brown children to death, and kill their parents with impunity if they complain. 6/7<br>*edit: spelling</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> The root of the MAGA angst is the fight for the American White Identity. The fight is over whether "White America" will join a world order where they are not on top and where their voices are not always considered the most important one or will they enter a world where there are equals who don’t look like them, don’t speak their language, don’t eat their food or pray to the same gods. 5/7<br>*ed: spelling</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> Reagan continued those polices as did both Bushes. And frankly, Bill Clinton signed some of the most repressive legislation that has ever been wielded as a hammer against poor people and people of color. What Nixon and Halderman and the others have been worried about was a population of free black and brown people, who were educated, employed and able to participate in the so-called American Dream. 4/7</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> Just recently someone on Mastodon re-posted the interview with Nixon’s man Halderman where he proudly admitted that they created the war on drugs to negate any forward movement that was created by the civil rights legislation of 1964/65. This happened within the lifetimes of you old heads on this site and for the young people when your parents were already adults.</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> And just as with the first experiment results were not surprising. Less than 10 people offered a guess as to the underlying root complaint of the MAGA. Let me offer one. You’ll need to remember some history but I promise I’ll only ask you to go back as far as Richard Nixon. I won’t traumatize you with a connection to Reconstruction (!) 2/7</p>
fulanigirl<p><a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/politics" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>politics</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackMastodon" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackMastodon</span></a> <a href="https://blacktwitter.io/tags/BlackTwitter" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>BlackTwitter</span></a> <span class="h-card"><a href="https://a.gup.pe/u/blackmastodon" class="u-url mention" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">@<span>blackmastodon</span></a></span> The second part of the ThoughtExperiement asked you all to assume Trump was a distraction and to indicate what you thought the underlying root complaint is for the MAGAs. I asked Europeans not to reply, because their underlying causes of right wing discontent are different from ours AND because they are more willing to critically look at systems than Americans are. I wanted to hear from the people who live here. 1/7</p>
Rob Hadley<p>In my ongoing quest to provide something more uplifting to <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/StartTheDay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>StartTheDay</span></a> than the day's news here's a look a thought experiment from Elle Cordova.</p><p><a href="https://youtu.be/RozUGiu4mO0?si=LriXzVItFxJVLwYO" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" translate="no" target="_blank"><span class="invisible">https://</span><span class="ellipsis">youtu.be/RozUGiu4mO0?si=LriXzV</span><span class="invisible">ItFxJVLwYO</span></a></p><p><a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/StartTheDay" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>StartTheDay</span></a> <a href="https://mastodon.online/tags/ThoughtExperiment" class="mention hashtag" rel="nofollow noopener noreferrer" target="_blank">#<span>ThoughtExperiment</span></a></p>